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Bob Terwilliger  
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From: "Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:38:57 -0700
Local: Sat, Jul 5 2008 9:38 pm
Subject: Any Must-Visit Places in Phoenix?
Lin and I will be in Phoenix for a couple days later this month. Are there
any places we shouldn't miss while we're there? (We've already planned to
have Sunday brunch at the Phoenician.)

Bob


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From: Christine Dabney <artis...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:40:36 -0600
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Subject: Re: Any Must-Visit Places in Phoenix?
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:38:57 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"

<virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>Lin and I will be in Phoenix for a couple days later this month. Are there
>any places we shouldn't miss while we're there? (We've already planned to
>have Sunday brunch at the Phoenician.)

>Bob

Pizzeria Bianco.  

Don't listen to some of the naysayers about this place.  ;)

Christine


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 More options Jul 5, 9:44 pm
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From: Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwri...@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:44:27 GMT
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Subject: Re: Any Must-Visit Places in Phoenix?
On Sat 05 Jul 2008 06:40:36p, Christine Dabney told us...

I second that.

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 More options Jul 5, 9:50 pm
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From: "Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:50:41 -0700
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Subject: Re: Any Must-Visit Places in Phoenix?

Christine wrote:
> Pizzeria Bianco.

> Don't listen to some of the naysayers about this place.  ;)

Unfortunately, Pizzeria Bianco is closed on exactly the days of the week
when Lin and I will be there (Sunday and Monday).

Bob


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Wayne Boatwright  
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 More options Jul 5, 10:06 pm
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From: Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwri...@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:06:19 GMT
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Subject: Re: Any Must-Visit Places in Phoenix?
On Sat 05 Jul 2008 06:50:41p, Bob Terwilliger told us...

> Christine wrote:

>> Pizzeria Bianco.

>> Don't listen to some of the naysayers about this place.  ;)

> Unfortunately, Pizzeria Bianco is closed on exactly the days of the week
> when Lin and I will be there (Sunday and Monday).

> Bob

That's a shame, Bob.  You might enjoy this one, though...

Grimaldi's Coal Brick Oven Pizzeria (Old Scottsdale)
4000 North Scottsdale Road, Scottsdale AZ 85251
480-994-1100

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 More options Jul 5, 11:53 pm
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From: "Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:53:23 -0700
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Subject: Re: Any Must-Visit Places in Phoenix?

Wayne wrote:
> You might enjoy this one, though...

> Grimaldi's Coal Brick Oven Pizzeria (Old Scottsdale)
> 4000 North Scottsdale Road, Scottsdale AZ 85251
> 480-994-1100

Noted, but... is PIZZA really the flavor of Phoenix? I was expecting
something more influenced by Mexican or Navajo cuisine. It's not that I have
anything AGAINST pizza, but if there's something I can find only in Phoenix,
that's what I'd like to try.

Most of the top 10 Phoenix restaurant picks from the opentable.com diners
are closed Sunday and Monday; the ones which are open are these:

Arizona Inn - The Main Dining Room (This is the front-runner for me)
Capital Grill - Phoenix (I'm not a big steak-eater)
McClintock's (I'm not wild about their menu, but it looks okay)
Lon's at The Hermosa (seems a bit contrived and pretentious)

Now, I realize that diner surveys are often HORRIBLE, so I'm not attaching a
great deal of credence to the survey results. (Case in point: The Sacramento
diners voted _Denny's_ as the "best late-night restaurant," ignoring the
fact that there is an EXCELLENT tapas restaurant open late.)

AAA makes a dozen recommendations; these are the ones open on Sunday and/or
Monday:

The Fry Bread House (meh... gets bad reviews online)
Postino Winecafe (There *must* be better food in Phoenix than this!)
Durant's (looks just OK)
Roaring Fork (looks very good. What's the catch?)
Barrio Cafe (closed Monday; I guess it's a Sunday-dinner candidate)
T. Cook's (lunch menu and dinner sample menus both look good, but not
Phoenix-unique)
Arizona Kitchen (looks FANTASTIC! but Sunday and Monday lunch only)

AAA has also badly misled me in the past, so if you have any information
about those restaurants, or would like to recommend others, I'd certainly be
interested.

Bob


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 More options Jul 6, 12:00 am
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From: "Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:00:49 -0700
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Subject: Re: Any Must-Visit Places in Phoenix?

aem wrote:
> If you mean places other than food related, the Heard museum has a lot of
> good stuff, but probably won't be open Sunday or Monday.  The Desert
> Botanical Garden is quite good if you're interested in that kind of thing.
> They open early so you can go to beat the heat.  If you happen to be
> interested in birding, they do a bird walk through the garden beginning at
> 7 a.m. on Mondays.     -aem

Thanks! I'd been considering the Desert Botanical Garden, as well as the
Phoenix Zoo in the same area. The Mystery Castle looks like a good place for
photos, too. If it's open, I'm hoping to visit the Scottsdale Museum of
Contemporary Art -- and that will probably be enough, since my hotel has an
inviting pool and comfortable rooms.

Bob


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 More options Jul 6, 12:04 am
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From: spop...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:04:23 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: Any Must-Visit Places in Phoenix?

Bob Terwilliger <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>Noted, but... is PIZZA really the flavor of Phoenix? I was expecting
>something more influenced by Mexican or Navajo cuisine.

I never succeeded in finding good Mexican food in Phoenix.
Tuscon panned out better.

And I'm unclear as to whether the Navaho have much of a
tradition of promoting their food in restaurants... if
you find it, it will surely involve lamb.

Steve


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Wayne Boatwright  
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 More options Jul 6, 12:16 am
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From: Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwri...@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:16:18 GMT
Local: Sun, Jul 6 2008 12:16 am
Subject: Re: Any Must-Visit Places in Phoenix?
On Sat 05 Jul 2008 08:53:23p, Bob Terwilliger told us...

> Wayne wrote:

>> You might enjoy this one, though...

>> Grimaldi's Coal Brick Oven Pizzeria (Old Scottsdale)
>> 4000 North Scottsdale Road, Scottsdale AZ 85251 480-994-1100

> Noted, but... is PIZZA really the flavor of Phoenix? I was expecting
> something more influenced by Mexican or Navajo cuisine. It's not that I
> have anything AGAINST pizza, but if there's something I can find only in
> Phoenix, that's what I'd like to try.

Understood, but very good pizza.

> Most of the top 10 Phoenix restaurant picks from the opentable.com
> diners are closed Sunday and Monday; the ones which are open are these:

> Arizona Inn - The Main Dining Room (This is the front-runner for me)

Excellent choice.

Skip the next three.

> Capital Grill - Phoenix (I'm not a big steak-eater)
> McClintock's (I'm not wild about their menu, but it looks okay)
> Lon's at The Hermosa (seems a bit contrived and pretentious)

> Now, I realize that diner surveys are often HORRIBLE, so I'm not
> attaching a great deal of credence to the survey results. (Case in
> point: The Sacramento diners voted _Denny's_ as the "best late-night
> restaurant," ignoring the fact that there is an EXCELLENT tapas
> restaurant open late.)

> AAA makes a dozen recommendations; these are the ones open on Sunday
> and/or Monday:

> The Fry Bread House (meh... gets bad reviews online)

They do have some authentic Native American food, but I wouldn't bother
with this on a trip.  It's about 2 blocks from where I work.

> Postino Winecafe (There *must* be better food in Phoenix than this!)

Skip it!

> Durant's (looks just OK)

Actually, Durant's is the oldest steakhouse in the city, I think nearly
around 60 years old and classic style.  They do serve good steaks, but
you're not looking for steak, per above.  Great martinis!  Still...  I'd
go. :-)

> Roaring Fork (looks very good. What's the catch?)

None that I know of.  I've seen mixed reviews, but the majority are very
good reviews.  I've only had lunch there.  The food was excellent.

> Barrio Cafe (closed Monday; I guess it's a Sunday-dinner candidate)

So So, IMO.

> T. Cook's (lunch menu and dinner sample menus both look good, but not
> Phoenix-unique)

Nothing special either.

> Arizona Kitchen (looks FANTASTIC! but Sunday and Monday lunch only)

Definitely worth a lunch!

You might check out Carolina's for Mexican.  I really like it, and I've
never heard a bad thing about it.

HTH

> Bob

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Wayne Boatwright  
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 More options Jul 6, 12:19 am
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From: Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwri...@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:19:55 GMT
Local: Sun, Jul 6 2008 12:19 am
Subject: Re: Any Must-Visit Places in Phoenix?
On Sat 05 Jul 2008 09:04:23p, Steve Pope told us...

> Bob Terwilliger <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

>>Noted, but... is PIZZA really the flavor of Phoenix? I was expecting
>>something more influenced by Mexican or Navajo cuisine.

> I never succeeded in finding good Mexican food in Phoenix.
> Tuscon panned out better.

Have you ever tried Carolina's?

> And I'm unclear as to whether the Navaho have much of a
> tradition of promoting their food in restaurants... if
> you find it, it will surely involve lamb.

Or goat.

> Steve

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:35:41 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: Any Must-Visit Places in Phoenix?
Wayne Boatwright  <wayneboatwri...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sat 05 Jul 2008 09:04:23p, Steve Pope told us...
>> I never succeeded in finding good Mexican food in Phoenix.
>> Tuscon panned out better.
>Have you ever tried Carolina's?

Nope.  Recommendation noted. ;)

>> And I'm unclear as to whether the Navaho have much of a
>> tradition of promoting their food in restaurants... if
>> you find it, it will surely involve lamb.
>Or goat.

Nice.

S.


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 More options Jul 6, 12:56 am
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:56:29 -0700
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Subject: Re: Any Must-Visit Places in Phoenix?

"Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote in message

news:20lt8l.v79.19.1@news.alt.net...

> Lin and I will be in Phoenix for a couple days later this month. Are there
> any places we shouldn't miss while we're there? (We've already planned to
> have Sunday brunch at the Phoenician.)

> Bob

One of my favorite places to go when I'm in Phoenix is Oregano's. It's a
pizza place, but I've never had the pizza because the pasta is so darned
good! They do a penne with shredded chicken and a red sauce that is
delicious.

On my husband's recent trip there, he discovered a place called Joe's Farm
Grill, w